But what you said was…

“So in other words you imply that you cannot rely on prayer at all,”

This is why I find it useless to discuss anything with you. A rational discussion is impossible with someone who consistently changes the meaning and/or context of what was said.

I’m glad we understand each other.

There, now you have your not-vague example.

So, if I have to continue to repeat myself and correct your false assumptions, the conversation is useless and is there for over.

It’s not taken out of context at all. If you go to a doctor instead of praying for a cure, you have already admitted that prayer doesn’t work reliably. Why else would you pay for a doctor?

Either prayer works reliable or it does not. And since you don’t kill your children by neglect you know, as well as most people, that your god depends on medicine like the rest of us.

I notice that you don’t explain *how* I’m wrong, just that you act offended and give me a vague excuse once again.

I almost feel sorry for you. Need I point out that this is another discussion that you have run away from? That’s a 100% flight rate so far, which is what would expect from a Christian.

Man up.

I wonder if I were to say “I love my mother” if you’d start accusing me of incest or something like that. It’s pointless to even attempt to have a rational discussion with you.

You might not like being stereotyped, but you are more of the extreme end of the scale than the moderate.

I’m sure Christians that understand science wouldn’t want to be associated with your kind of Ken Ham-ish anti-education brand of religion.

And, if I seem to be leaning toward my “particular religion” it is because this site focuses on the Christian faith and so I write from that perspective. I make no apologies for that.

Finally, I rather don’t like when my faith is stereotyped along with people on such extremes. Those people, to me, only “represent” my religion to the extent that other people generalize.

Regrettably you fell into the trap of special pleading for your particular religion (I’ve gone into more detail in my response to your post here: http://www.jesussite.com/blog/2009/08/sifting-the-evidence ) during the second half.

I’m not quite sure on your thoughts on prayer, but I think that most people would agree that prayer works equally bad in all religions.

Which reminds me of the Christian parents who prayed over their child instead of taking it to the doctor. The child died, of course, and the courts gave the parents a very lenient sentence (6 months each spread out over as many years). Surely you don’t like when people like that represent your religion?